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I recently purchased an engagement ring for my long time girlfriend. The ring was appraised at $10,000. My friends have been telling me horror stories about losing or breaking jewelry and having jewelry stolen. This has prompted me to look for insurance for the ring. I have no clue about insurance. I don’t own a house and am just looking into renter’s insurance. I have car insurance through my parents, but I don’t think auto insurance is what I’m looking for. Can somebody recommend what type of insurance I should be getting that would cover loss, damage, theft. THANKS! Jim
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> I recently purchased an engagement ring for my long time girlfriend. > The ring was appraised at $10,000. My friends have been telling me > horror stories about losing or breaking jewelry and having jewelry > stolen. This has prompted me to look for insurance for the ring. I > have no clue about insurance. I don’t own a house and am just looking > into renter’s insurance. I have car insurance through my parents, but > I don’t think auto insurance is what I’m looking for. Can somebody > recommend what type of insurance I should be getting that would cover > loss, damage, theft. THANKS! > Jim
When we got engaged, it was a simple matter to add a rider to cover the e-ring on my renter’s policy. It’s a good thing to have. If you own a home, have a rider to cover the expensive bits (including, for example, computer equipment) from your homeowner’s insurance. You’re right, auto insurance is not what you’re looking for. I don’t know how insurance works in countries other than the US, but it’s relatively simple to be covered against disasters. — aMAZon zeszutko at nycap.rr.com "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
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> I recently purchased an engagement ring for my long time girlfriend. > The ring was appraised at $10,000. My friends have been telling me > horror stories about losing or breaking jewelry and having jewelry > stolen. This has prompted me to look for insurance for the ring. I > have no clue about insurance. I don’t own a house and am just looking > into renter’s insurance. I have car insurance through my parents, but > I don’t think auto insurance is what I’m looking for. Can somebody > recommend what type of insurance I should be getting that would cover > loss, damage, theft. THANKS! > Jim
A rider on the renter’s or homeowner’s insurance would be appropriate. You didn’t mention if you live with your fiancee or not, but it should be on the policy for the place that she resides.
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Most Renter’s Insurance place have riders you can get for specific jewelry items that are really expensive. I use American Family and had one for a couple pieces that are over $1000. Most General policies specifically state there is a max on jewelry it’s good for unless you get the rider. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I recently purchased an engagement ring for my long time girlfriend. >The ring was appraised at $10,000. My friends have been telling me >horror stories about losing or breaking jewelry and having jewelry >stolen. This has prompted me to look for insurance for the ring. I >have no clue about insurance. I don’t own a house and am just looking >into renter’s insurance. I have car insurance through my parents, but >I don’t think auto insurance is what I’m looking for. Can somebody >recommend what type of insurance I should be getting that would cover >loss, damage, theft. THANKS! >Jim
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> I recently purchased an engagement ring for my long time girlfriend. > The ring was appraised at $10,000. My friends have been telling me > horror stories about losing or breaking jewelry and having jewelry > stolen. This has prompted me to look for insurance for the ring. I > have no clue about insurance. I don’t own a house and am just looking > into renter’s insurance. I have car insurance through my parents, but > I don’t think auto insurance is what I’m looking for. Can somebody > recommend what type of insurance I should be getting that would cover > loss, damage, theft. THANKS! > Jim
Hi Jim, Yes, a policy is definitely a good thing to have. You will need to have a copy of a good appraisal… one based on fair market value by a certified appraiser, not just the store’s "appraisal" or receipt. For a ring that price, the stone itself should have come with some type of certification beyond just the store’s own — for example, a GIA (Gemological Institute of America) cert, complete with a map of the diamond. (I’m assuming it’s a diamond…. if another stone, then the same applies.) If the stone did NOT come with a cert, you may want to consider submitting it to GIA for independent cert. This would not only reassure you that the stone’s value is indeed as represented by the store, but would also provide the basis for the appraisal you’ll need for insurance purposes. Many of the larger diamonds today also have laser inscribed serial number info on their girdle. That would be important to note for the insurer, as well. The appraisal and any pertinent info about the ring, as well as a very good quality set of photographs of the ring should be kept in a firesafe place separate from the place where the ring usually is. In other words, if you live in your parents’ house and you’re keeping the ring there too, the appraisal should be in a fire safe in your fiance’s parents’ house, or in a safety deposit box at the bank. This is extra "insurance" that the critical information you need in order to prove your ownership of the ring and its value would not be destroyed in the same incident that destroyed the ring. You’re looking for "Personal Property Insurance." Whether you rent or own or live with your parents will determine the nature of the policy, but you should definitely be looking for a REPLACEMENT VALUE policy, if it is at all within your budget. Depreciated value policies may save you some premium $ up front, but when something happens and you have to replace your perfectly good 5-year-old TV under the policy, you’ll find out that you get $50 for it. With a replacement-value policy, you’ll get enough to purchase a new TV comparable to the one you lost. Pretty much any insurance company has personal property insurance. Price them and ask about the ride you’ll need to cover the ring. Be sure to ask about exclusions and any "buy outs" for them (in some cases, you can buy out an exclusion for a certain type of circumstance through a slightly higher premium). Hope all this helps! Karen Goeller kgoeller at nolimitations dot com www.nolimitations.com Handcrafted and Unique Artisan Jewelry and Fine Wedding Bands
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> Friend of mine retied the knot with his second wife after 8 years of dating. > Her new vows included the phrase "He can hunt and fish any time he wants."
I can honestly say I’m happily married… … she’s happy, and I’m married. BT68uk
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> Friend of mine retied the knot with his second wife after 8 years of dating. > Her new vows included the phrase "He can hunt and fish any time he wants."
Blanket permission to buy bass gear wouldn’t be bad either! Benj — SPAM-Guard! Remove .users (if present) to email me!
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>You have two choices in life: You can stay single and be miserable, or get >married and wish you were dead.
Something I related to a drummer the other day, re: wives and women in general… No matter how beautiful, intelligent, witty, or appealing a women is, somewhere, there is a man who is tired of her bullsh*t…
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Friend of mine retied the knot with his second wife after 8 years of dating. Her new vows included the phrase "He can hunt and fish any time he wants."
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You have two choices in life: You can stay single and be miserable, or get married and wish you were dead. At a cocktail party, one woman said to another, "Aren’t you wearing your wedding ring on the wrong finger?" The other women replied, "Yes, ;I married the wrong man." A lady inserted an ’ad’ in the classifieds: "Husband wanted". Next day she received hundreds of letters. ; They all said the same thing: "You can have mine. When a woman steals your husband, there is no better revenge than to let her keep him. Eighty percent of married men cheat in the USA. ; ;The rest cheat in Canada. A woman is incomplete until she is married. Then she is finished. A little boy asked his father, "Daddy, how much does it cost to get married?" Father ;replied, "I don’t know son, I’m still paying". Young son: Is it true Dad, that in some parts of Africa a man doesn’t know his wife until he marries her? Dad: That happens in every country, son. Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. First guy: "My wife’s an angel!" Second guy: "You’re lucky, mine’s still alive."
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Gee – I have a wife who has bought me a Ken Lawrence Brase 5, a Lakland 55-94, and a F-Bass BN-5. And she has put up with me for 27 years now – I’ll certainly keep her! Dan K.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You have two choices in life: You can stay single and be miserable, or get >married and wish you were dead. > Something I related to a drummer the other day, re: wives and women in > general… > No matter how beautiful, intelligent, witty, or appealing a women is, > somewhere, there is a man who is tired of her bullsh*t…
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> Gee – I have a wife who has bought me a Ken Lawrence Brase 5, a Lakland > 55-94, and a F-Bass BN-5. And she has put up with me for 27 years now – > I’ll certainly keep her! > Dan K.
I told mine right up front I wasn’t sure about this marriage thing, but I’d give it 50 years, then re-evaluate. She better watch her behavior, ‘cuz we’re way past the halfway mark!
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Bluenile has a good reputation. A couple of years ago I bought some loose diamonds from them and they met my expectations in terms of product quality and service. Alternatives: www.tradeshop.com www.mondera.com Victor — (Please Note: My email address has changed; see headers).
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Hi, Although Princess is usually my first choice for cruising anywhere. The fact that they are offering so much in the Caribbean will probably force RCL and NCL to lower prices even more. That will be a boon for the cruise industry as a whole since it will enable more folks to afford a cruse. Doris<…..Grand Princess 9/14/03 Horizon 12/8/03 ASIA ON A 4 MASTED SCHOONER <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsmom>OURJOURNEYTO/a> TAHITI <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsdad/PASSAGETOPARADISE/
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>Although Princess is usually my first choice for cruising anywhere. The >fact that they are offering so much in the Caribbean will probably force >RCL and NCL to lower prices even more.
Hi Doris, I really don’t think prices will go any lower. Princess does not want to drive pricing down. This would not be in any cruise line’s best interest. Industry surveys have shown pricing firming and edging up. Demand has really picked up in the last month. Many are reporting "wave period" volumes. I have not seen this kind of booking activity in at least 3 years. If this booking pattern continues I believe you will see even more price increases than we have seen in the last few weeks. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com
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> I really don’t think prices will go any lower. Princess does not want > to drive pricing down. This would not be in any cruise line’s best > interest.
Best interest and what actually happens are two different things, as we have seen in recent times. If they are adding ships to go after Royal Caribbean there could very well be a price war. — Charles
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Hi Ray, My experience this year has been that prices HAVE gone down lately. I have 2 cruises booked at the lowest rates I have ever paid. I think the war plus he largr number of ships that have come on the market contribute to this. I must also say that a little of the service HAS deteriorated. Doris just 1 woman’s opinion. ASIA ON A 4 MASTED SCHOONER <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsmom>OURJOURNEYTO/a> TAHITI <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsdad/PASSAGETOPARADISE/
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> My experience this year has been that prices HAVE gone down lately. I >have 2 cruises booked at the lowest rates I have ever paid. I think the >war plus he largr number of ships that have come on the market >contribute to this. I must also say that a little of the service HAS >deteriorated.
Hi Doris, Your anecdotal experience is accurate of the industry as a whole. Over the last month, the pricing has been edging up and the booking trend seems to be moving out. IOW, folks are paying somewhat more and are booking further in advance. This is not to say that pricing and booking trends are back to normal. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com
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>Sounds like they’re going to be primary focused in the Caribbean, like >Royal Caribbean and Carnival.
Hi Tom, They have been saying over and over to the industry that they are going after Royal Caribbean and expand their Caribbean presence. This is their not so subtle shift. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com
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What’s left for us West coasters?? 
Oh, I know…..the Diamond Princess. Gee, thanks. Lindsay
Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of Galveston. "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on alternating 10-day cruises. Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two sailings between New York and San Juan. Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December 22. Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and venues. The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is available through a professional travel agent. Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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Sounds like they’re going to be primary focused in the Caribbean, like Royal Caribbean and Carnival. –Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What’s left for us West coasters?? Oh, I know…..the Diamond Princess. Gee, > thanks. > Lindsay > Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 > Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet > Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered > SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 > Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the > Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever > in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing > throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic > 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and > features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. > Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different > ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships > sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. > Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of > new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of > Galveston. > "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said > Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and > sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis > on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of > balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like > to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." > Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and > Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two > different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, > Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ > 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the > number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new > itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on > alternating 10-day cruises. > Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: > Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built > specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural > season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip > from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will > offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, > St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a > special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. > Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean > itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger > Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus > Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also > includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which > includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as > two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning > cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two > sailings between New York and San Juan. > Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the > Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean > itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new > Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, > Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes > stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. > Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers > alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on > Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at > Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The > alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of > St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. > Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises > from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with > stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand > Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes > calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and > Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day > Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. > Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with > alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean > Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, > Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean > Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. > Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate > the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December > 22. > Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some > of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such > distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice > Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose > either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime > Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where > and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include > the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, > internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and > venues. > The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such > features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed > alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more > than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. > Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at > $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. > One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess > Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival > Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 > ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the > globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 > a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is > available through a professional travel agent. > Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. > Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland > America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts > of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment > to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of > lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching > cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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SLEAZE ALERT Edgar/Ray altered this Press Release You can go to Ray’s Spamhouse Travel website, sift through all his cruise advertisements, and search for the altered Press Release or the unaltered release can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/hu3i Why can’t he just publish the truth? If you use a Travel Agent, try to pick an honest one. Sincerely The Sleaze Police
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > I received this press release from and thought it would be of > interest. Princess has recently told travel agents around the US they > are going to take over the Caribbean from Royal Caribbean and here is > their plan. If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com > Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 > Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet > Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered > SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 > Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the > Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever > in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing > throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic > 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and > features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. > Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different > ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships > sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. > Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of > new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of > Galveston. > "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said > Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and > sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis > on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of > balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like > to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." > Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and > Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two > different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, > Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ > 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the > number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new > itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on > alternating 10-day cruises. > Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: > Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built > specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural > season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip > from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will > offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, > St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a > special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. > Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean > itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger > Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus > Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also > includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which > includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as > two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning > cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two > sailings between New York and San Juan. > Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the > Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean > itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new > Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, > Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes > stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. > Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers > alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on > Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at > Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The > alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of > St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. > Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises > from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with > stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand > Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes > calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and > Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day > Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. > Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with > alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean > Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, > Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean > Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. > Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate > the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December > 22. > Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some > of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such > distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice > Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose > either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime > Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where > and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include > the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, > internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and > venues. > The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such > features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed > alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more > than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. > Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at > $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. > One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess > Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival > Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 > ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the > globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 > a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is > available through a professional travel agent. > Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. > Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland > America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts > of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment > to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of > lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching > cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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Hi Everyone, I received this press release from and thought it would be of interest. Princess has recently told travel agents around the US they are going to take over the Caribbean from Royal Caribbean and here is their plan. If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are available on my web site. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of Galveston. "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on alternating 10-day cruises. Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two sailings between New York and San Juan. Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December 22. Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and venues. The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is available through a professional travel agent. Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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Hi Everyone, I received this press release from and thought it would be of interest. Princess has recently told travel agents around the US they are going to take over the Caribbean from Royal Caribbean and here is their plan. If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are available on my web site. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of Galveston. "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on alternating 10-day cruises. Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two sailings between New York and San Juan. Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December 22. Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and venues. The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is available through a professional travel agent. Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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SLEAZE ALERT Edgar/Ray altered this Press Release You can go to Ray’s Spamhouse Travel website, sift through all his cruise advertisements, and search for the altered Press Release or the unaltered release can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/hu3i Why can’t he just publish the truth? If you use a Travel Agent, try to pick an honest one. Sincerely The Sleaze Police
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > I received this press release from and thought it would be of > interest. Princess has recently told travel agents around the US they > are going to take over the Caribbean from Royal Caribbean and here is > their plan. If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com > Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 > Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet > Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered > SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 > Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the > Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever > in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing > throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic > 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and > features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. > Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different > ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships > sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. > Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of > new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of > Galveston. > "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said > Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and > sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis > on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of > balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like > to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." > Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and > Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two > different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, > Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ > 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the > number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new > itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on > alternating 10-day cruises. > Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: > Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built > specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural > season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip > from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will > offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, > St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a > special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. > Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean > itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger > Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus > Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also > includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which > includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as > two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning > cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two > sailings between New York and San Juan. > Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the > Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean > itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new > Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, > Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes > stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. > Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers > alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on > Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at > Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The > alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of > St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. > Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises > from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with > stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand > Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes > calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and > Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day > Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. > Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with > alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean > Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, > Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean > Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. > Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate > the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December > 22. > Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some > of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such > distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice > Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose > either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime > Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where > and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include > the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, > internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and > venues. > The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such > features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed > alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more > than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. > Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at > $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. > One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess > Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival > Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 > ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the > globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 > a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is > available through a professional travel agent. > Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. > Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland > America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts > of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment > to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of > lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching > cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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What’s left for us West coasters?? Oh, I know…..the Diamond Princess. Gee, thanks. Lindsay
Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of Galveston. "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on alternating 10-day cruises. Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two sailings between New York and San Juan. Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December 22. Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and venues. The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is available through a professional travel agent. Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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Sounds like they’re going to be primary focused in the Caribbean, like Royal Caribbean and Carnival. –Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What’s left for us West coasters?? Oh, I know…..the Diamond Princess. Gee, > thanks. > Lindsay > Princess Details Dramatic Caribbean Growth in 2004-05 > Line’s Caribbean Capacity Jumps 75 Percent with Six-Ship Fleet > Sixteen Different Itineraries Offered > SANTA CLARITA, CA July 22, 2003 > Backing up its commitment to become a major cruise operator in the > Caribbean, Princess will launch its most extensive season there ever > in fall 2004, with six of its largest and newest vessels sailing > throughout the region. The new 2004-05 schedule represents a dramatic > 75 percent increase in Caribbean capacity from the season before, and > features the youngest fleet sailing in the region. > Featuring 152 departures on 16 unique itineraries with 26 different > ports of call, Princess will offer four seven-day and two 10-day ships > sailing the Caribbean between October 2, 2004 and April 24, 2005. > Highlights of the season include the new Caribbean Princess, a host of > new itineraries, a new port of call in Belize, and a new home port of > Galveston. > "This is an unprecedented expansion in the Caribbean for us," said > Dean Brown, Princess’ executive vice president of customer service and > sales. "We will offer a unique Caribbean experience, with our emphasis > on ‘big ship choice with small ship feel,’ the highest percentage of > balcony staterooms and the youngest fleet in the destination. We like > to call it the only truly royal experience in the Caribbean." > Four ships — Caribbean Princess, Grand Princess, Golden Princess and > Star Princess — will offer seven-day itineraries, including two > different routes in each of the Caribbean’s main regions — Western, > Eastern and Southern Caribbean. Plus, the popularity of Princess’ > 10-day itineraries has prompted the company to nearly double the > number of departures on these extended vacations, and offer two new > itineraries. Both Dawn Princess and Sun Princess will sail on > alternating 10-day cruises. > Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season includes: > Caribbean Princess — This new 3,100-passenger ship, built > specifically for the Caribbean trade, continues its 2004 inaugural > season with Princess’ Classic Eastern Caribbean itinerary roundtrip > from Ft. Lauderdale. The line’s largest vessel at 116,000 tons will > offer Saturday departures on an itinerary that travels to St. Thomas, > St. Maarten and Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a > special eight-day holiday sailing on December 18, 2004. > Grand Princess — Sailing on a new seven-day Western Caribbean > itinerary from Princess’ new Galveston homeport, the 2,600-passenger > Grand Princess departs on Saturdays for a new stop in Belize, plus > Costa Maya, Grand Cayman and Cozumel. The ship’s schedule also > includes a special nine-day holiday cruise on December 24, which > includes celebrations for both Christmas and New Year’s, as well as > two six-day pre- and post-holiday sailings, and two repositioning > cruises between Galveston and San Juan. The ship also offers two > sailings between New York and San Juan. > Star Princess — Star Princess begins its first season in the > Caribbean with alternating seven-day Eastern and Western Caribbean > itineraries, departing from Ft. Lauderdale on Sundays. The brand-new > Eastern Caribbean itinerary features calls at San Juan, St. Thomas, > Tortola and Princess Cays. The Western Caribbean itinerary includes > stops at Princess Cays, Grand Cayman, Ocho Rios and Cozumel. > Golden Princess — Based in San Juan, Golden Princess offers > alternating seven-day Southern Caribbean itineraries, departing on > Sundays. The Classic Southern Caribbean itinerary includes calls at > Barbados, St. Lucia, St. Maarten, St. Thomas and Antigua. The > alternate Southern Caribbean Explorer itinerary features the ports of > St. Thomas, St. Kitts, Grenada, Caracas and Aruba. > Dawn Princess — Dawn Princess will offer alternating 10-day cruises > from Ft. Lauderdale, featuring a new Western Adventurer route with > stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Ocho Rios, Grand > Cayman and Cozumel. The Southern Caribbean Medley itinerary includes > calls at Curacao, Isla Margarita, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas and > Princess Cays. In addition, the ship will offer a special seven-day > Western Caribbean sailing for the holidays on December 23. > Sun Princess — Sun Princess also joins the 10-day line-up with > alternating Eastern Caribbean sailings. The new Eastern Caribbean > Voyager itinerary offers calls at St. Vincent, Grenada, St. Lucia, > Martinique, St. Thomas and Princess Cays. The Eastern Caribbean > Islander route features stops at Princess Cays, St. Thomas, St. > Maarten, St. Kitts, Barbados and Antigua. Sun Princess will celebrate > the holidays with a seven-day Eastern Caribbean sailing on December > 22. > Regardless of which itinerary passengers choose, they will enjoy some > of the most amenity-filled vessels in the Princess fleet, with such > distinctive features as the line’s signature Personal Choice > Dining(SM). Only Princess offers passengers the opportunity to choose > either the traditional, same time/same table option; or Anytime > Dining, which gives passengers the flexibility to choose when, where > and with whom they dine throughout the cruise. Other amenities include > the Lotus Spa, extensive children and teen centers, wedding chapels, > internet centers, and an extensive array of entertainment options and > venues. > The newest vessel in the fleet, Caribbean Princess, sports such > features as a poolside movie screen, a new Caribbean-themed > alternative restaurant, and nearly 900 cabins with balconies — more > than on any other cruise ship sailing year-round in the Caribbean. > Early booking fares for Princess’ 2004-05 Caribbean season begin at > $549 for seven-day sailings and $899 for 10-day cruises. > One of the best-known names in North American cruising, Princess > Cruises is a global cruise and tour company. Part of Carnival > Corporation and plc (NYSE:CCL) and (NYSE:CUK), its current fleet of 11 > ships sail on approximately 150 different itineraries around the > globe, calling at more than 260 ports on all seven continents. By 2006 > a further four ships will be introduced. Additional information is > available through a professional travel agent. > Princess Cruises is a proud member of World’s Leading Cruise Lines. > Our exclusive alliance also includes Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland > America, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts > of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each guest, and a commitment > to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of > lifestyles and budgets. Together we offer exciting and enriching > cruise vacations to the world’s most desirable destinations.
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>Sounds like they’re going to be primary focused in the Caribbean, like >Royal Caribbean and Carnival.
Hi Tom, They have been saying over and over to the industry that they are going after Royal Caribbean and expand their Caribbean presence. This is their not so subtle shift. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com
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Hi, Although Princess is usually my first choice for cruising anywhere. The fact that they are offering so much in the Caribbean will probably force RCL and NCL to lower prices even more. That will be a boon for the cruise industry as a whole since it will enable more folks to afford a cruse. Doris<…..Grand Princess 9/14/03 Horizon 12/8/03 ASIA ON A 4 MASTED SCHOONER <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsmom>OURJOURNEYTO/a> TAHITI <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsdad/PASSAGETOPARADISE/
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>Although Princess is usually my first choice for cruising anywhere. The >fact that they are offering so much in the Caribbean will probably force >RCL and NCL to lower prices even more.
Hi Doris, I really don’t think prices will go any lower. Princess does not want to drive pricing down. This would not be in any cruise line’s best interest. Industry surveys have shown pricing firming and edging up. Demand has really picked up in the last month. Many are reporting "wave period" volumes. I have not seen this kind of booking activity in at least 3 years. If this booking pattern continues I believe you will see even more price increases than we have seen in the last few weeks. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com
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> I really don’t think prices will go any lower. Princess does not want > to drive pricing down. This would not be in any cruise line’s best > interest.
Best interest and what actually happens are two different things, as we have seen in recent times. If they are adding ships to go after Royal Caribbean there could very well be a price war. — Charles
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Hi Ray, My experience this year has been that prices HAVE gone down lately. I have 2 cruises booked at the lowest rates I have ever paid. I think the war plus he largr number of ships that have come on the market contribute to this. I must also say that a little of the service HAS deteriorated. Doris just 1 woman’s opinion. ASIA ON A 4 MASTED SCHOONER <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsmom>OURJOURNEYTO/a> TAHITI <a href=http://community-2.webtv.net/happypupsdad/PASSAGETOPARADISE/
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> My experience this year has been that prices HAVE gone down lately. I >have 2 cruises booked at the lowest rates I have ever paid. I think the >war plus he largr number of ships that have come on the market >contribute to this. I must also say that a little of the service HAS >deteriorated.
Hi Doris, Your anecdotal experience is accurate of the industry as a whole. Over the last month, the pricing has been edging up and the booking trend seems to be moving out. IOW, folks are paying somewhat more and are booking further in advance. This is not to say that pricing and booking trends are back to normal. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com
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God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight.
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Unless you can prove the drill locked itself, it’s her fault. If it was locked, what do you mean by "ditched the drill"? Blaming/suing the company will only cause us all grief. Otherwise, condolences. MH
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
well i never paid much attention to the safety rules of long hair, being a boy, i always paid attention to the things like done let a tie hang over into the work area… wear safety glasses and the long sleeve shirt getting caught in the tools… i guess she violated the rule of long hair hanging onto the tool…..it could have happened with the elcheapo tools or the high end Ingersol Rand brand tools…. or for that matter some very high priced medical or scientific tools made for speical purposes if you dont take car of yourself and let your long hair hang… why do you(she) need a lawyer, how about a doctor??????
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It is not a problem with the drill but one with the operator. One of the first rules of working with ANY rotating equipment is to confine hair to prevent it from winding around shafts or drill chucks in this case. Why sue a company for producing a product that works when the operator does not follow safety regulations. But, this is grist for the legal mill, if someone can successfully sue McDonalds for selling HOT coffee when they burn their crotch with it, I guess you can sue a tool maker for someone getting their hair wound up with it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
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9.6 — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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The same thing happened to me 31 years ago. I was a teenager working in construction for the Summer. I had to drill some holes through some ceiling joists using a name brand heavy duty angle drill with an extension bit. I had very long hair at the time. I climbed up on the ladder and found it awkward to hold the drill while balancing myself. The most comfortable position was having the drill on the side of my head against my shoulder. Next thing I know my head is getting pulled into the drill. Fortunately the trigger did not lock as in your case. After releasing the trigger I realized what had happened. Most of the hair on one side of my head got yanked out by the roots. I tied my hair back until the bald spot started to grow again and then had all of my hair cut off. For many years after that the part of my hair that grew back had a better texture than the other side. Many hairstylists commented on the difference in my hair from one side to the other. Now whenever I do ANY work I remove ALL jewelry including my wedding ring and wristwatch and I never wear anything around my neck and I always wear steel toe high back work shoes. I also keep a pair of gloves hooked on my belt using a clip that releases if excessive force is applied to them. In my case it was operator error. You could send a letter to the Federal Trade Commission. Be sure to include the model number, serial number, and name and address of the manufacturer. If they get enough complaints about the same thing they will look into the matter. I think that they have an online form for complaints such as these. I know many people prefer to do things themselves for various reasons such as saving money, enjoyment of working with tools, can’t find someone to do the work etc. I have been in the electrical trade for 30+ years and still do not know everything. Getting information to do something from a posting on the internet is not a substitute for my experience. You may look at something in your home or watch a home improvement show and think to yourself "I can do that". It may look easy, but don’t discount the fact that you do not have a truck full of tools for that trade nor do you have all of the materials needed on hand. Also, do you know what to do when something goes wrong? As an electrician I never know what I will find when I get to a job. Every house is different. One set of instructions does not apply to every situation. To put things in perspective consider this: Each of you has a profession. You work at a job that you have experience in. You work hard to make a living and have the necessary tools on hand to do your job correctly. Do you think that a person from off the street without any formal training and experience could watch a 30 minute TV show or read a book and know how to do everything as well as you? I should say thank you to all of the Do-it-Yourselfers out there. They have been good for my business. After they get too deep into a wiring project I will get a phone call. When someone moves into a house that a Do-it-Yourselfer has worked on I will get a phone call. After the fire has been put out as a result of someone doing something the wrong way, I will get a phone call. After someone has been cited by the building department or some other govenment agency, I will get a phone call. When someone is trying to sell their house and the home inspector found some things that were not safe, I will get a phone call. Don’t get me wrong. I am not telling you not to do work around your house. You can do many things safely and correctly and legally. Take the time to find out how to do it right. Make sure that you have the proper tools. Consider all of the things that could go wrong. This forum should only be one of many sources of information that you use to research your project. If it is a big job, consider hiring a professional for consultation purposes. Safety first. John Grabowski http://www.mrelectrician.tv
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks to everyone who answered, even the miserable folks. I posted > in the heat of the moment and except for investigating this model and > why it was sold so cheaply, i.e., in case there *was* a problem with > the lock sticking, will let the matter drop. > By "ditching the drill," I meant she had a split second decision to > make as the bit rotated up from the deadbolt toward her skull. She > litterally scalped herself, because she knew it she didn’t she was > going to die or be blinded. > Thanks again. To those of you who felt it necessary to point out > my/our stupidity, well, sort of reminded me mercy is shown to those > who show mercy. To those of you with kind condolences, hope your day > shines, cause you helped a lot.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > You want information.. > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > Umm…such a contradiction. You state, shes more knowledgeable of all > aspects of home renovation than most guys…but yet, she used a drill, a 1/2 > inch model on top of that, ($20 1/2 inch drill??? Garbage?) and didnt pull > her hair back? All the guys I know with hair that long make sure its out of > the way before they pull the trigger.. > And, I suppose if the bit was working…it was broken as it was jerked out > of the hole it made as the drill pulled itself towards her head as the chuck > was spinning… > And…she ditched the drill..humm…..meaning she had time, at about 500RPM > (I havent checked the specs on that one, but one can assume it was that fast > or faster if shes drilling out a lock, ) to realize what was happening, toss > the drill, with it locked in ON position..and watch it continue to > climb..when if it was locked, most models just require you to snap the > trigger again… > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > You sound like you are married to her…in all honesty.. > I read this post, and wish I could be on the jury that you get when you take > it to court. User assumes all responsibility when working with a tool. > I about got my finger cut off about 2 weeks ago in an accident…but at no > time did I consider a lawsuit…sheesh….and it wasnt with a power tool. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight. > No..if it really happened…while I feel for you, I think you are making a > mountain out of a molehill. > I have a Milwaukee that had she done that, it would not have stopped till it > ripped her head off… > Looking at your post, its either BS, and if its not, well, I am of the > opinion, from someone that wasnt there, that you have no case. > She bought a cheap drill. > She willingly used that cheap drill > She willingly used that drill with her hair down. > I went to the Cummins (not Cummings) web site and looked at the drills… > http://www.cumminstools.com/browse.cfm/4,531.html > Is that it? It is the ONLY Cummins that meets what you said…1/2 hammer… > IF you start a lawsuit over user error, can we sue you for stupid claims? > Its a shame that she got hurt but accidents happen, and a lawsuit not going > to do anything….and I doubt seriously, after this letter being posted on > the internet, that anyones gonna take it seriously. People are tired of > everyone being sued…its normally people that are looking for a free ride > that even think that… > So, dont worry about a lawsuit..worry about getting her taken care of….and > teach her the proper way to use power tools…THAT would be the BEST thing > you can do.
An old friend of mine was doing some remodeling on his house a few years back and picked up a board to cut it with his SkilSaw. He held the board in his hand and made the cut. When he had finished, he put the saw down and went to examine his cut board and realized that he had cut two of his fingers off where he was holding the board. His dog ate one of them. His wife took him to the hospital and they patched up the stub ends.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > > drill. > Look, it is really unfortunate. But people ought to take responsibility > for > their mistakes instead of always passing the buck to someone else, like > George Bush does. > Except, in the case of George Bush, it really IS the other people’s fault.
You’ve been on drugs or what? Sure it IS his fault, it’s everyone else who IS paying for his lies. Shepherd
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Thanks to everyone who answered, even the miserable folks. I posted in the heat of the moment and except for investigating this model and why it was sold so cheaply, i.e., in case there *was* a problem with the lock sticking, will let the matter drop. By "ditching the drill," I meant she had a split second decision to make as the bit rotated up from the deadbolt toward her skull. She litterally scalped herself, because she knew it she didn’t she was going to die or be blinded. Thanks again. To those of you who felt it necessary to point out my/our stupidity, well, sort of reminded me mercy is shown to those who show mercy. To those of you with kind condolences, hope your day shines, cause you helped a lot.
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well there is good news. At least the next time she uses a drill at least the third of here hair that is missing wont get caught in the drill. If I was on the Jury I would not side with her. I would side with why didnt she tie back her hair.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
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>Thanks to everyone who answered, even the miserable folks. I posted >in the heat of the moment and except for investigating this model and >why it was sold so cheaply, i.e., in case there *was* a problem with >the lock sticking, will let the matter drop.
I don’t know how the lock works on a drill (or why you’d want one), but you mentioned that she might have "inadvertently" put the drill on lock. If there is a flaw in the design that would make that possible, or if a safety mechanism failed, then other people (including the manufacturer) should be made aware of this. For example, if the handle mechanism that cuts off power to electric lawnmowers didn’t release when the user let go of the handle, that would be dangerous. You can search for information on product recalls and problems at the Consumer Product Safety Commission website. http://www.cpsc.gov There is also a place to report injuries. You can fill out the on-line form or call 1-800-638-2772. Please do so. It would at least make you feel better that you did what you could to prevent this from happening to someone else. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation… I can find it myself! sue at interport dot net
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>God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one.
God I hope you’re not trolling. >Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just >want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that >made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law >permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet >specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a >lawyer until tonight.
You should be on the phone to a lawyer, not soliciting advice from strangers in a Usenet newsgroup.
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So, if I understand you correctly, you’ve come to alt.home.repair looking for legal advice? Stupidity must run in the family.
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> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill.
Look, it is really unfortunate. But people ought to take responsibility for their mistakes instead of always passing the buck to someone else, like George Bush does.
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> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > Look, it is really unfortunate. But people ought to take responsibility for > their mistakes instead of always passing the buck to someone else, like > George Bush does.
Except, in the case of George Bush, it really IS the other people’s fault. Ever hear of HIM getting his hair caught in a drill? No? I didn’t think so. Steve
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> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill.
You want information.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model.
Umm…such a contradiction. You state, shes more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most guys…but yet, she used a drill, a 1/2 inch model on top of that, ($20 1/2 inch drill??? Garbage?) and didnt pull her hair back? All the guys I know with hair that long make sure its out of the way before they pull the trigger.. And, I suppose if the bit was working…it was broken as it was jerked out of the hole it made as the drill pulled itself towards her head as the chuck was spinning… And…she ditched the drill..humm…..meaning she had time, at about 500RPM (I havent checked the specs on that one, but one can assume it was that fast or faster if shes drilling out a lock, ) to realize what was happening, toss the drill, with it locked in ON position..and watch it continue to climb..when if it was locked, most models just require you to snap the trigger again… > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole.
You sound like you are married to her…in all honesty.. I read this post, and wish I could be on the jury that you get when you take it to court. User assumes all responsibility when working with a tool. I about got my finger cut off about 2 weeks ago in an accident…but at no time did I consider a lawsuit…sheesh….and it wasnt with a power tool. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
No..if it really happened…while I feel for you, I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. I have a Milwaukee that had she done that, it would not have stopped till it ripped her head off… Looking at your post, its either BS, and if its not, well, I am of the opinion, from someone that wasnt there, that you have no case. She bought a cheap drill. She willingly used that cheap drill She willingly used that drill with her hair down. I went to the Cummins (not Cummings) web site and looked at the drills… http://www.cumminstools.com/browse.cfm/4,531.html Is that it? It is the ONLY Cummins that meets what you said…1/2 hammer… IF you start a lawsuit over user error, can we sue you for stupid claims? Its a shame that she got hurt but accidents happen, and a lawsuit not going to do anything….and I doubt seriously, after this letter being posted on the internet, that anyones gonna take it seriously. People are tired of everyone being sued…its normally people that are looking for a free ride that even think that… So, dont worry about a lawsuit..worry about getting her taken care of….and teach her the proper way to use power tools…THAT would be the BEST thing you can do.
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No problem. I truly wasn’t trying to be an ass.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yeah, degloving. I screwed up the terminology. > Not to be petty or anything, but this type of injury would not be > considered > an evulsion. Scalping is in a category all its own, but if I had to place > it in a category it would be more of a degloving injury. > > Sorry about the flip answers you hoped you wouldn’t get. But any drill > > would do this; any drill is easy to lock on, it’s just a button and you > have > > to be able to engage it one-handed. A less expensive, less powerful > drill > > would probably have stalled, but then it would stall while drilling too. > > I’m sorry about the accident; all such accidents are gruesome. As an > EMT > we > > had to watch movies and see pictures of folks with their hands turned > inside > > out from getting caught in rotating stuff (they call it "evulsion"). > Thank > > god I haven’t had to deal with something like that yet in person. > > But it wasn’t the fault of the machine. > > > God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > > > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > > > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > > > drill. > > > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > > > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > > > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > > > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > > > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > > > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > > > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > > > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > > > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > > > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > > > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > > > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > > > it was still eating up her hair. > > > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > > > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > > > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > > > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > > > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > > > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > > > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > > > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > > > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > > > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > > > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > > > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > > > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > > > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > > > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > > > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > > > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > > > lawyer until tonight.
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Yeah, degloving. I screwed up the terminology.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not to be petty or anything, but this type of injury would not be considered > an evulsion. Scalping is in a category all its own, but if I had to place > it in a category it would be more of a degloving injury. > Sorry about the flip answers you hoped you wouldn’t get. But any drill > would do this; any drill is easy to lock on, it’s just a button and you > have > to be able to engage it one-handed. A less expensive, less powerful drill > would probably have stalled, but then it would stall while drilling too. > I’m sorry about the accident; all such accidents are gruesome. As an EMT > we > had to watch movies and see pictures of folks with their hands turned > inside > out from getting caught in rotating stuff (they call it "evulsion"). > Thank > god I haven’t had to deal with something like that yet in person. > But it wasn’t the fault of the machine. > > God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > > drill. > > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > > it was still eating up her hair. > > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > > lawyer until tonight.
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Anyone with an ounce of brains knows that you do not use rotating machinery around long sleeves, gloves, and long hair.
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Cowa Bungie writes: > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests.
Unclear whether UL listing covers locking power switches. More to do with electrical hazards. The switch may have been defective, even if one ought to know about the hair hazard. So the manufacturer may have some liability. The tort system is supposed to determine that, flawed as it may be.
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Not to be petty or anything, but this type of injury would not be considered an evulsion. Scalping is in a category all its own, but if I had to place it in a category it would be more of a degloving injury.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry about the flip answers you hoped you wouldn’t get. But any drill > would do this; any drill is easy to lock on, it’s just a button and you have > to be able to engage it one-handed. A less expensive, less powerful drill > would probably have stalled, but then it would stall while drilling too. > I’m sorry about the accident; all such accidents are gruesome. As an EMT we > had to watch movies and see pictures of folks with their hands turned inside > out from getting caught in rotating stuff (they call it "evulsion"). Thank > god I haven’t had to deal with something like that yet in person. > But it wasn’t the fault of the machine. > God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
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> Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law permitting > cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet specifications but
allowing > litigation… I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. I am not a lawyer, but if you are interested in pursuing civil charges I think you’ll find that it just doesn’t matter what the law says relative to "specifications". In this day and age, anyone can sue anyone else for almost anything, or so it seems. In any case, IMHO this forum is not the right place to get that kind of advice.
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> Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
I doubt it, ever hear of a hair net, etc… thats why dudes with long hair use a baseball cap. any drill would do this to her.
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Sorry about the flip answers you hoped you wouldn’t get. But any drill would do this; any drill is easy to lock on, it’s just a button and you have to be able to engage it one-handed. A less expensive, less powerful drill would probably have stalled, but then it would stall while drilling too. I’m sorry about the accident; all such accidents are gruesome. As an EMT we had to watch movies and see pictures of folks with their hands turned inside out from getting caught in rotating stuff (they call it "evulsion"). Thank god I haven’t had to deal with something like that yet in person. But it wasn’t the fault of the machine.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> God I hope I don’t get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache > tonight. I’m posting to get information about a drill purchased at a > travelling power tools show. The drill’s a Cummings 1/2" hammer > drill. > A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of > home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased > for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She > tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn’t work. A nice dude from a > locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for > Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." > She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit > started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her > gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, > she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole > straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she > knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing > it was still eating up her hair. > She’s as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her > scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done > work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and > only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. > She’s never had this kind of accident with any other model. > I just want to know if it’s o.k. to sell tools in the US if they > failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I > never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it > until now. Now it’s a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick > around the chuck I couldn’t even find the keyhole. > Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about > safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. > Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don’t need any more. Just > want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that > made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there’s a law > permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don’t meet > specifications but allowing litigation… I never wished I was a > lawyer until tonight.
There is not a rotating hand tool made that is "hair proof". Considering that she has done this type work for 15 years without an accident can only be attributed to dumb luck. I am really curious as to why you are looking for someone to sue when it is clearly operator stupidity.
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This is a little off the usual subject but I want to move from the southeast music scene. Is there any new music meccas happening these days? Like Vegas was 10 years ago or Boulder was in the early 1970’s. I need to find work mainly playing but I’m a fledgling producer too and want to live somewhere nice but cheaper than the west coast. Is there such places anymore? Also have a NOS pair of Brimar CV4004’s and some Mullard ECC83’s if anybody needs them. Peace
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Austin, Tx?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is a little off the usual subject but I want to move from the southeast > music scene. Is there any new music meccas happening these days? Like Vegas > was 10 years ago or Boulder was in the early 1970’s. I need to find work > mainly playing but I’m a fledgling producer too and want to live somewhere > nice but cheaper than the west coast. Is there such places anymore? Also > have a NOS pair of Brimar CV4004’s and some Mullard ECC83’s if anybody needs > them. Peace
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> This is a little off the usual subject but I want to move from the southeast > music scene. Is there any new music meccas happening these days? Like Vegas > was 10 years ago or Boulder was in the early 1970’s. I need to find work > mainly playing but I’m a fledgling producer too and want to live somewhere > nice but cheaper than the west coast. Is there such places anymore? Also > have a NOS pair of Brimar CV4004’s and some Mullard ECC83’s if anybody needs > them. Peace
Austin, Texas is probably the hottest music "mecca" right now. also Vegas is still somewhat hot as is northern Virginia (near D.C.& not cheap), and of course old standby’s such as Seattle (west coast & not cheap) & Nashville (southeast) might be a good time to establish a beachhead in some place like Phoenix or Tucson or El Paso or Colorado Springs before they get really hot. if you are talented you can get work anywhere in the world that you like the weather
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is a little off the usual subject but I want to move from the > southeast > music scene. Is there any new music meccas happening these days? Like > Vegas > was 10 years ago or Boulder was in the early 1970’s. I need to find work > mainly playing but I’m a fledgling producer too and want to live somewhere > nice but cheaper than the west coast. Is there such places anymore? Also > have a NOS pair of Brimar CV4004’s and some Mullard ECC83’s if anybody > needs > them. Peace > Austin, Texas is probably the hottest music "mecca" right now. > also Vegas is still somewhat hot as is northern Virginia (near D.C.& not > cheap), and of course old standby’s such as Seattle (west coast & not cheap) > & Nashville (southeast) > might be a good time to establish a beachhead in some place like Phoenix or > Tucson or El Paso or Colorado Springs before they get really hot. > if you are talented you can get work anywhere in the world that you like the > weather
I guess you could call austin that, but its music scene is really tiering, there is not alot of variety in their scene, and everyone plays guitar, it is so much work to find bassist or drummers down there. When I was liveing there Austin just killed my desire for makeing music, its jsut to much of the same, no demand for music really, its just there for people to drink to. 99% of the local bands are jsut ignored for the big names that are always comeing in. It is not a good place for the musician or producer, there is already way to many. I would go somewhere where the music scene is just starting. Its alot more fun this way, the venues are alot more open to different kinds of music, the people are alot more intrested in the music, they are used to not haveing live music, once it comes they go nuts for it, its great. I have been watching this hapen up here in Duluth for the past few years years (minus my year in austin) slowly building and now it seems like there is 5 new bands every week. Poeple are opening studios and practice spaces things are getting good. Austin has been going for quite some time now, its life most likely is going to come to an end soon. Um, Tucson has no music scene. And it is not always about talent. Austin is about conenctions, who you know, it has nothing to do with talent. Nsahville seems like the best place to be right now as far as a national music mecca is concerced, lots of things are happening there. Alt Country is just starting gain real acceptance and nashville is the source. It will be a happening city in a few more years most likely. But I would just pick a city you like that has small scene and thats it. It is alot more fun and intresting this way. If you like to struggle and want to try and jam yourself in a population already overflowing with guitarists and producers you should really like Austin. There is no need or demand for anything in Austin other then more roads and fewer people. However Hyde Park is a cheap and very nice place to live if you do end up in Austin, great location, couple miles from downtown with the university as a buffer. All the young couples who are just starting their families end up there. adam
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is a little off the usual subject but I want to move from the >southeast > music scene. Is there any new music meccas happening these days? Like >Vegas > was 10 years ago or Boulder was in the early 1970’s. I need to find work > mainly playing but I’m a fledgling producer too and want to live somewhere > nice but cheaper than the west coast. Is there such places anymore? Also > have a NOS pair of Brimar CV4004’s and some Mullard ECC83’s if anybody >needs > them. Peace >Austin, Texas is probably the hottest music "mecca" right now.
I’ve heard basically what Adam said in his post – Austin is a great place to hear music, but not such a great place to try to make a living playing music. I’ve heard a lot of cool bands coming out of the Denton, TX area, I don’t know if that means it’s an easy place to make a living as a musician. >also Vegas is still somewhat hot as is northern Virginia (near D.C.& not >cheap), and of course old standby’s such as Seattle (west coast & not cheap) >& Nashville (southeast)
I don’t know about Vegas. I’m in No. VA, which is just part of the DC scene, and involves people and clubs in the MD suburbs as well. I think this a great place to make and hear music. There are some wonderful bands and musicians and and I’m proud to call many of them friends. However there’s not a *huge* amount of support – i.e., it’s not a town where many many people go out to hear live music. I guess that’s true of most cities now, compared to the old days. Most of the musicians I know are either holding down a day job or have a spouse with a good job. It *is* an expensive place to live. I used to know Seattle musicians who thought that Seattle was a problem because there are relatively few cities near by, so to do even a little tour means lots of driving. One *good* thing about the DC area is that you’re in the middile of a fairly densely-packed east coast, with a lot of cities and college towns just a few hours away. >might be a good time to establish a beachhead in some place like Phoenix or >Tucson or El Paso or Colorado Springs before they get really hot. >if you are talented you can get work anywhere in the world that you like the >weather
I think the age-old problem is that the "Meccas" are the places that get a rep as having lots of good bands, and that means more competition for anyone who goes there to be a part of it. If you are really good you do have a better chance of being seen by the "industry." That doesn’t mean you get to make money 5 nights a week. I can’t think of any places that are known for good music that don’t have a lot of competition for the available gigs. Of course it depends on what you do, too. If you play in a well-known cover band, or a good wedding band, or you do music for video, that’s different than playing in a heavy metal or a bluegrass band. But you knew that. -Scott McKnight
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> > I have flown on 20 different airlines over the years and so far the most > exciting thing that has happened is that once we were diverted to > Stanstead > as the Canadian pilots decided to go on strike so they had to put down at > an > alternative airport as all the AC slots at LHR were full and there was no > space on the tarmac for them. > And what happend? Did they give you a free ride to LHR or to your > destination as compensation?
They laid on a fleet of coaches to LHR, from where we then had to get on a National Express coach and head back around the M25 to head back home. > I flew from Newcastle to Dublin once in a Jetstream turboprop. Not very high > altidude and gave excellent turbulence when going through the clouds! The > guy sat beside me gripped the arm rest tightly and kept his eyes shut for > the entire flight!
My fears are totally irrational and seem to kick in when I least expect. Flown from East Midlands to Belfast in one of BMI’s Saab turbo-props a few times and experienced some nice lumpy bits, but that didn’t concern me. Earlier this year I flew from Auckland to Wellington and as usual the approach into Wellington was a roller coaster with wind blowing the plane every which way and all you could see out the windows was the Cook Strait, I just watched calmly, whereas my friend who isn’t usually afraid of flying gripped the arm rests tightly. The last time I panicked was on a completely smooth flight from BHX to CPH. I wish I could figure it out!!!
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> I have flown on 20 different airlines over the years and so far the most > exciting thing that has happened is that once we were diverted to Stanstead > as the Canadian pilots decided to go on strike so they had to put down at an > alternative airport as all the AC slots at LHR were full and there was no > space on the tarmac for them.
And what happend? Did they give you a free ride to LHR or to your destination as compensation? > Unless of course you count the fact that I > have one of those irrational fears of flying which means I occasionally turn > white as a ghost at 30000ft and have to spend a little while controlling my > mind and breathing.
I flew from Newcastle to Dublin once in a Jetstream turboprop. Not very high altidude and gave excellent turbulence when going through the clouds! The guy sat beside me gripped the arm rest tightly and kept his eyes shut for the entire flight!
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> I will probably include an "executive summary" myself. But if you think you > can get it shorter, then feel free :-p > I hope my summary is exactly the same as yours however 
How about if you write the summary and I try to guess/write the long winded details as I seem better at that
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> I hope my summary is exactly the same as yours however
I hope so too. As mentioned previously it is so much nicer to see some reports that balance all the negative ones that seem to be the staple of most people who bother to post. I have flown on 20 different airlines over the years and so far the most exciting thing that has happened is that once we were diverted to Stanstead as the Canadian pilots decided to go on strike so they had to put down at an alternative airport as all the AC slots at LHR were full and there was no space on the tarmac for them. Unless of course you count the fact that I have one of those irrational fears of flying which means I occasionally turn white as a ghost at 30000ft and have to spend a little while controlling my mind and breathing. (This has lead to some interesting flights in the past, including once flying in the jump seat of a Fokker 100 (I think, it was certainly a Fokker can’t remember the exact series) across the Australian Outback as the pilot took pity on me, something that certainly would not happen in these days of heightened security)
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> On the contrary. The OP account was a good read. In fact you will note I > said I may well do the same after my flight 
May I summarise that trip report afterwards??? ;-p
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> On the contrary. The OP account was a good read. In fact you will note I > said I may well do the same after my flight > May I summarise that trip report afterwards??? ;-p
I will probably include an "executive summary" myself. But if you think you can get it shorter, then feel free :-p I hope my summary is exactly the same as yours however
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Just a quick reply (probably, as already noted I have never been able to write 1 word when a hundred will so) > Did you ever consider leaving a day earlier in order to have a > Saturday night stay, as this would’ve brought the price down quite > substantially? Also, I think the most convenient routing would be > taking SK BHX-CPH-GDN.
I tried all sorts of combinations of Friday/Saturday/Sunday out and Fri/Sat/Sun return and stupidly this was the cheapest (and incidentally the most convenient time wise too). The main problem was the fact that I only found out the destination 12 days before I had to fly so most of the best cheap tickets had already gone. As for the routing via CPH would have been my first choice (I did this last year when I went to WRO (Wroclaw)) But the problem is that to do this I would have had to fly BHX-CPH on the Friday night, then overnight in CPH (what a hardship) then fly to GDN on either the Saturday or Sunday, then the return would have had to be on the following Sunday, as the flight to CPH on Friday left too early (I spent the morning at work so as the flight combination I took started at 16:30ish, I was able to do that and get home that day)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A good read. But for those who don’t have time to read it all. Here is a >summary: >Went from BHX-FRA-WAW-GDN and back again. No problems. >.end. > Do you advocate only posting trip reports where something goes wrong or > something bad can be said about an airline? Such reports as that posted here > help to balance the prejudice view you get from reading newsgroup where most > only post to complain.
On the contrary. The OP account was a good read. In fact you will note I said I may well do the same after my flight
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>A good read. But for those who don’t have time to read it all. Here is a >summary: >Went from BHX-FRA-WAW-GDN and back again. No problems. >.end.
Do you advocate only posting trip reports where something goes wrong or something bad can be said about an airline? Such reports as that posted here help to balance the prejudice view you get from reading newsgroup where most only post to complain. — Lansbury www.uk-air.net FAQs for alt.travel.uk.air newsgroup
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A good read. But for those who don’t have time to read it all. Here is a summary: Went from BHX-FRA-WAW-GDN and back again. No problems. .end. Maybe I will post an account of my NCL-LHR-IAD-SEA-IAD-LHR-NCL trip next month.
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> A good read. But for those who don’t have time to read it all. Here is a > summary: > Went from BHX-FRA-WAW-GDN and back again. No problems. > .end.
and I thought only women were bitchy
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> find the best price (I eventually got the airfare for a little over 500GBP > through opodo, whereas every other source wanted in excess of 1000GBP. The > only disadvantage was the routing having 2 changes)
Did you ever consider leaving a day earlier in order to have a Saturday night stay, as this would’ve brought the price down quite substantially? Also, I think the most convenient routing would be taking SK BHX-CPH-GDN.
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I thought it was about time that I stopped just reading the reports and messages on this newsgroup and got around to participating (especially as this account will only be valid for a month more and so I don’t really care how much junk it generates (if anyone is silly enough to select it in the future then it will be their problem!!!)) Last week saw me travelling to Poland for what has become an annual trip to do some training for a client, each time they select another part of Poland for me to visit with them (so far they have taken me to Poznan, Wroclaw, Karpacz and this year to the seaside – Gdansk) And as with previous times they spring the location on me at fairly short notice so it took me a while to find a value for money routing – in fact this year it took me about 7 hours of trawling through various online and traditional travel services to find the best price (I eventually got the airfare for a little over 500GBP through opodo, whereas every other source wanted in excess of 1000GBP. The only disadvantage was the routing having 2 changes) So headed down to Birmingham early on Sunday morning to check in for the 0655 flight to FRA (being English and used to having to arrive at the airport a number of hours before the flight we got there for a little after 0500) Checked in and received the boarding passes for all three flights and watched as my baggage was slowly sent down the belt hoping that it would also make it all the way to Gdansk. Sat down and had breakfast before slowly making my way to security. As usual at BHX after checking the boarding cards you join one of 2 queues to head through the metal detector and send your hand baggage through the x-ray machine, as usual I ensured that anything even vaguely likely to set off the metal detector was in my jacket pockets which I sent through the little metal tunnel to be examined on the little screen in false colour. Still managed to set off the alarm (forgot my watch, and as I wear a wedding ring and glasses it had to be one of these things as there was no other metal anywhere on my person, the shoes I was wearing didn’t contain any metal either (I know, they have been wanded often enough)) so had to be quickly wanded down, then it was through to the departure lounge where I spent 15 minutes or so wandering around in circles ignoring the shops as they never have anything of interest (in the UK anyway) and anything that is of interest can be bought cheaper by ignoring the high street (which the shops in "duty free" generally base their figures on) and buying it from a specialist shop. Flight 1 : 1st June 2003 (I would put 1/6/03, but that would cause so much confusion across the Atlantic with each side thinking it was a different date) BHX – FRA (Birmingham International to Frankfurt) LH4537. Aircraft 737-500 (reg: D-ABJC). Scheduled boarding time (according to the boarding pass anyway) 6:25 for a scheduled departure of 6:55, actual time called to board 6:33. As BHX likes to keep the gate numbers secret until boarding time (to ensure you spend more money in the shops and thus generate more income for the airport) there was a sudden surge of people heading towards the corridor heading down to the gates. Once we arrived at the gate we then had to stand in a queue to have our passports and boarding passes checked before making our way down the airbridge to the waiting plane. Initially I was given seat 15D and a dear old couple came along having been given seats 15E/F, but as the plane was half full once boarding was complete the flight attendant asked if I would like to move to row 14 as there was no-one in seats A/B/C (strangely enough I didn’t decline this offer) Push back occurred at 6:57 and we were up in the air at 7:07. As usual (thankfully) the flight was uneventful with a snack being offered once we reached cruising altitude (which the captain said was 33,000ft) – being in cattle class it was the usual Lufthansa choice of either a cheese or turkey roll followed by drinks being offered twice (and being a full service European airline they offered soft and alcoholic drinks even at this hour of the morning). Our routing took us down towards London then quickly across the channel to Brussels before heading into FRA. Touch down occurred at 9:22 local time (the time at FRA is one hour ahead of BHX). As we were hurtling down the runway slowing down we passed about 30 USAF cargo planes sitting on the tarmac at the edge of the airfield (I believe they were Globemasters, but I am not all that up on the larger military planes).The plane then taxied to terminal A where we hooked up to an airbridge, but were told we had to depart by the rear doors to a bus which would take us to the terminal. As the plane was only 50% full the bus wasn’t crowded and was filled quickly so we were able to make our way to terminal B on the roadways along the edge of the terminal buildings. Flight 2 (still) 1st June 2003 – FRA-WAW (Frankfurt – Warsaw) LH3272. Aircraft 737-300 (reg D-ABXR) having been bussed from terminal A to terminal B I then had to head back up to the skytrain to go back to terminal A. When I arrived the flight still hadn’t been given a gate according to the computer screens (all they said was terminal A), but my boarding pass had the gate number already (A57) So as there was no-one at the gate yet I decided that I would go for a wander along the corridor and look at the shops, but for some reason (still don’t know exactly why) security had divided the terminal in 2 and only passengers with gates beyond (at this time) A57 could continue further (after passing through another metal detector and passing hand baggage through an x-ray machine) So I had to content myself with walking along the other half of the corridor while I waited for the boarding announcement scheduled for 11:05, actual time 11:10 for a 11:35 departure. just before push back at 11:33 the captain mentioned over the speakers that the plane was heavy that morning and looking around it appeared that the flight was about 90% full (but I still managed to be one of the few people with an empty seat next to me) Wheels up occurred at 11:33 and we had the second uneventful flight of the day, again a snack was given to us once we had reached cruising altitude (31,000ft). Unlike the previous flight we were given a small tray of food which consisted of a roll and a small cold platter with cheese ham and a little bit of salad and a Milka chocolate bar followed by 2 rounds of drinks, but most surprisingly of all we had metal cutlery. The routing took us from FRA over Prague and then into Warsaw. We touched down at 13:05 and made our way to the terminal building where we hooked up to an airbridge and headed for immigration and customs. (As I was unsure as to what would happen to my baggage as the next sector was a domestic one I waited at the baggage carousel for my bag to arrive, but when it didn’t I asked an airline employee and was told that it would be sent through to Gdansk and that I would clear customs there) So headed across to the domestic terminal. Flight 3 1st June 2003 – WAW-GDN (Warsaw to Gdansk) LO3813. Aircraft Embraer 145 (reg SP LGF) Went into the domestic terminal to be confronted with an x-ray machine and as there was a queue joined it and passed my hand luggage through it, on the other side of the x-ray machines there was the check-in desks and then another queue to pass hand-baggage through another x-ray machine and a metal detector (usual trick of placing everything in my jacket, but this time didn’t set off the alarm) and now I entered the departure lounge off to one side were 2 gates (well doors in the glass airside frontage) and a room which was smaller than some class rooms I have seen. Sat down for 20 minutes or so waiting for the boarding call which was scheduled for 14:20 but actually occurred at 14:30 so we filed out to a waiting bus which then proceeded to do nothing until 14:40 (10 minutes before scheduled departure) push back occurred at 15:12 (strictly as we were on a remote(!) stand we just thrust forward and went onto the taxiways) wheels up at 15:19. Again another uneventful flight, but this time I have no information as the cockpit was strangely silent only talking once when we were on the ground, as this was a short hop we weren’t all that high (probably in the high teens ft) The flight appeared to be 100% full (I couldn’t see any spare seats) but as this was a regional jet and the seating configuration is 1-2 I had no-one crowding me in. We were served a quick snack which was simply an individually wrapped packet of 2 Delicje (similar to Jaffa Cakes in the UK) and a choice of drinks. touched down at 15:54 and as Gdansk is a small regional airport we were at the terminal at 15:56. We were then bussed to the terminal where they dropped off domestic passengers first and then drove about 50m to another entrance and dropped off the people who arrived at Warsaw on international flights. My bag was already waiting for me on the carousel (I had seen it come off the plane and speed past while the domestic passengers were getting off the bus, it is one of the great advantages of having a bright yellow hard-shell case, you know it is there when you catch a brief glimpse of the baggage trucks) Now for the return: Flight 1 6th June 2003 (I could get away with writing 6/6/03 as it makes no difference, but for consistency I will use the long formal method) GDN-WAW (Gdansk to Warsaw) LO3814. Aircraft ATR 72 (reg SP-LFH) (this flights was operated by EuroLot) Arrived at check in and got boarding passes for all the flights and said goodbye to my baggage hoping it would also make it through the 2 connections. (Had a problem getting my AirNZ airpoints card to register on the genuine Lufthansa flights, so will have to send my boarding passes in when I get the chance) Headed upstairs to the departure floor and sat in a small viewing area as the … read more »
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Since our ten year anniversary is coming soon, I would like to have a pair well matched rings for both of us. My question is what should I do with my wedding ring if I get the new ring? ( is this a silly question?) Thanks! Min
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> Since our ten year anniversary is coming soon, I would like to have a pair > well matched rings for both of us. My question is what should I do with my > wedding ring if I get the new ring? ( is this a silly question?)
Whatever you like. When my mother got a different ring, she gave me her wedding ring and sized it down to use as a pinky ring and gave her engagement ring to my sister (after resetting it with my sister’s birthstone–the original diamond went into my mother’s new ring). Best wishes, Ericka
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I know a lady that made hers into a pendant for a necklace … wedder band stayed the same, and the engagement ring was straightened, and laid across the diameter of the wedder (just the part with the stone)… looks beautiful and she is quite proud of it. Regards and Best Wishes, Laney
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Since our ten year anniversary is coming soon, I would like to have a pair > well matched rings for both of us. My question is what should I do with my > wedding ring if I get the new ring? ( is this a silly question?) > Thanks! > Min
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Jen: > I absolutely agree that 2 carat is not only > impractical – it looks like its not a real diamond.
Stan: > I agree. My wife is petitie, and a 2 carat > solitare would look obscene on her hand.
Despite my earlier posting, I feel a need to drop another $0.02 at this point. Respectfully, I disagree that diamonds at 2+ carats look fake. Perhaps to *your* eye, but certainly not to the educated eye. And one of the biggest clues as to whether or not a large diamond is real is going to be the economic position of the wearer. Which is simply a fancy way of saying: buy within your means. And while there are women who are too small to wear a two carat ring, they’re really few and far between; it will depend on the setting. I could easily wear 2+ carat stones — and do, not infrequently, albeit not diamonds (thus admitting *my* economic position ). And, of course, there are less expensive, but still thoroughly beautiful options besides diamonds. One of the most beautiful engagements rings I’ve ever seen was a 3-ish carat sapphire surrounded by diamond baguettes (pity … I still can’t figure out why the guy offering it to me was asking me to marry him, since we were *only* friends; spoiled a perfectly good friendship). -j
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I would go to a smaller, Non Chain, Non Mall store. You usually find that it costs more there but you get such incredibly good service that it’s unbelievable. I think I paid around $4000 or so for my wife’s engagement ring. Probably could have gotten it cheaper but I had it custom made from a design that I had tweaked a bit. We are on a firt name basis with the people that work there, it’s a family run store, it’s just incredible. They take such good care of us that we refer all our friends there. Anyone in the Milwaukee, WI area, definitely check them out. http://www.lylehusardesigns.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello, >I am T.C. ,living in Toronto. I would like honest opinion from you >guys . I am shopping around for an engagement ring. >I found that a few bigger jewelry stores(Birk’s, People’s ) charge >over CDN $ 10,000 for 1 carat diamond ring (good cut, VS1 , colour G) >and then a relatively smaller jewelry stores charge only around $7000 >for the same quality. I want to be careful but i can’t tell whether >the diamond is fake or not. I mean they can present me the GIA >certificate or whatever, but you know, how would i know the cert truly >matches with the diamond that i purchase ? >My another concern is that, i have worked for at least a few years and >i am an intermediate web developer. I can’t afford to buy anything >like 2 carat ring. For such a big event for my gf & myself, do you >think it’s kinda embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than >1 carat ring ?
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MY GOD!!! What is the world coming to??!? I totally agree with your views Amber… a wedding is meant to be ‘the union of souls’ if you want to go so far… it’s not ‘give me a big fat ring to make me happy’!!! I would be happy being with my guy for all of eternity, and not getting one more material gift… EVER! It’s not what the relationship is about! Some women really need to grow lives.. and brains!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My Boss got his live-in girl friend a ring for Valentines Day…It has a 4 > carat diamond in it. A few days later we were talking and he told me that the > stone was bad. Not to the naked eye. But his words were" it’s not a perfect > stone but she wanted a big one and that was the best I could do." He sounded > kind of sad about it. Everyone at works knows that she threw a fit at > Christmas when he didn’t give it to her then, pouting and threatening to move > out. There was a huge fight at the house and he told everyone about it. Somehow > the 4-carat thing on her finger looks like she got it out of a Cracker Jacks > box. It’s too big. It looks fake. > Don’t get her more of a ring then you can afford and she can wear. Not all > women can pull off a 2 or more carat ring. If she balks at a small stone you > might want to re-think your engagement. > Does anyone else remember the guy here who got his girlfriend a very expensive > ring but the stone was not up to her standards? He took the ring back called > off the engagement and sold the ring on E-bay. > Amber ( Who got a very inexpensive ring but loves it and wouldn’t change it > for the world.) > …
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> Don’t listen to the suckers who tell you to buy a perfect ring. > Buy MOISSANITE – No one will know the difference. > If you insist on buying a diamond, there’s only one "C" that matters, > and that’s carats. The other ones just boost the price, and women > don’t care about the three "C"’s that make the ring clear and sparkly. > They just want it to be BIG.
Nonsese. My ring is a nice size, but people routinely take it as being at least 1/4 carat bigger than it is, because its cut and color are so very good. Some people might want even a pebble, so long as it’s "big enough", but others know quality and would take that any day. — aMAZon zeszutko at nycap.rr.com "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
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> Don’t listen to the suckers who tell you to buy a perfect ring. > Buy MOISSANITE – No one will know the difference. > If you insist on buying a diamond, there’s only one "C" that matters, > and that’s carats. The other ones just boost the price, and women > don’t care about the three "C"’s that make the ring clear and sparkly. > They just want it to be BIG.
It sounds like if you were going to buy a sports car, you would also recommend getting the one with the loudest engine, because that’s what people care about… how big it sounds, not how it handles, accelerates, brakes, or how smooth the ride is. Am I right, Baseball? In fact, why waste all that money on a sports car when you can just take the muffler off your 76 AMC Pacer and nobody "will know the difference". Yes? Such silliness. —- Jeff Zawrotny http://www.forevermomentsphotography.com/
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Don’t listen to the suckers who tell you to buy a perfect ring. Buy MOISSANITE – No one will know the difference. If you insist on buying a diamond, there’s only one "C" that matters, and that’s carats. The other ones just boost the price, and women don’t care about the three "C"’s that make the ring clear and sparkly. They just want it to be BIG.
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> I absolutely agree that 2 carat is not only impractical – it looks > like its not a real diamond.
I agree. My wife is petitie, and a 2 carat solitare would look obscene on her hand. She did get a 1.11 carat, VS1, H color princess cut diamond. The final setting, engagement and wedding bands, is 2.09 TCW. I ordered the engagement rgin from Mondara (yes, I bought a diamond ring over the internet). We had a custom made wedding band made to fit the engagement ring. The apprasial is a little less than twice what we paid. BEFORE you buy, you really should educate yourself about the 5 C’s of diamonds (yes there are 5 C’s): carats, color, clarity, cut, and cost. > Incidently, if you want to > buy a ring that you can call an investment,
An investment is something that you buy now, in order to sell later for a profit. of all the things an engagement ring can be, and investment is not one of them – at least not a financial investment. I could not belive how much I spent on a shiny rock! But, even though I felt like it was an ENORMOUS sum of money at the time, after paying for the wedding, buying a house, and the furnishing the house – the ring is a drop in the bucket. I think the engagement ring is mearly a symbol of a man who is ready to surrender his entire "toy" budget to the marriage fund… ;) –Stan Graves http://www.SoundInMotionDJ.com
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> My another concern is that, i have worked for at least a few years and > i am an intermediate web developer. I can’t afford to buy anything > like 2 carat ring. For such a big event for my gf & myself, do you > think it’s kinda embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than > 1 carat ring ?
Embarrassing? Nah. You don’t *need* a ring to show you’re engaged. Granted, some societies may see the ring as a symbol that you’re "promised" to someone or "taken". However, it isn’t a necessary thing. And even if you do go with a ring, a diamond ring is a traditional symbol. However, you don’t even have to go with diamond for the engagement ring. I’ve met many ladies out there who have antique rings and heirlooms as symbols of engagement. One of the jewelers I talked with proposed to his wife with a concert piano! Picture that on her finger! Keep in mind that there is no rule that says you have to stick with traditions.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My another concern is that, i have worked for at least a few years and >i am an intermediate web developer. I can’t afford to buy anything >like 2 carat ring. For such a big event for my gf & myself, do you >think it’s kinda embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than >1 carat ring ? > Embarrassing? Nah. > You don’t *need* a ring to show you’re engaged. Granted, some societies may > see the ring as a symbol that you’re "promised" to someone or "taken". > However, it isn’t a necessary thing. > And even if you do go with a ring, a diamond ring is a traditional symbol. > However, you don’t even have to go with diamond for the engagement ring. > I’ve met many ladies out there who have antique rings and heirlooms as > symbols of engagement. One of the jewelers I talked with proposed to his > wife with a concert piano! Picture that on her finger!
Drool! Knowing what the prices of good concert grands might be…! I wanted to offer my fiance a piano, but couldn’t afford one as a wedding gift. He got a briefcase instead. > Keep in mind that there is no rule that says you have to stick with > traditions.
I’ve heard of some guys’ engagement present being a house. Now *that’s* practical. — aMAZon zeszutko at nycap.rr.com "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
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The size of the engagement ring doesn’t matter at all. My fiancee gave me a quarter carat diamond and I love it. The fact that you want to spend the rest of your life with this woman is what is important…not the size of the rock. If she is shallow and gives you a hard time about the diamond, maybe she isn’t worth marrying inthe first place.
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> The size of the engagement ring doesn’t matter at all.
I’m going to be nitpicky here: the size of the _stone_ in the ring doesn’t matter at all. The ring should fit the finger it’s intended to be worn on. If it’s too small, it can’t be worn, and if it’s too big, the wearer runs the risk of losing it entirely. > My fiancee gave > me a quarter carat diamond and I love it. The fact that you want to > spend the rest of your life with this woman is what is important…not > the size of the rock. If she is shallow and gives you a hard time about > the diamond, maybe she isn’t worth marrying inthe first place.
Perhaps 5 years or so ago, there was a poster who told of her delight with her engagement ring, which was an heirloom from the groom’s side. Her family told her, "He’s a cheapskate if he doesn’t buy you a big rock." IIRC, she, sensibly, said that was nonsense. It’s the strength of the relationship, and the commitment of the people involved to make it work, that’s important. D’you think that, if the size of the diamond guaranteed the success of the marriage, that Liz Taylor might have done better? — aMAZon zeszutko at nycap.rr.com "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
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Just want to add another voice to the "anything more than one carat is probably way too much" chorus. And 1 carat can be too big for some women’s fingers. You don’t want her looking like Zsa Zsa Gabor (or Henry VIII) kassa
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My Boss got his live-in girl friend a ring for Valentines Day…It has a 4 carat diamond in it. A few days later we were talking and he told me that the stone was bad. Not to the naked eye. But his words were" it’s not a perfect stone but she wanted a big one and that was the best I could do." He sounded kind of sad about it. Everyone at works knows that she threw a fit at Christmas when he didn’t give it to her then, pouting and threatening to move out. There was a huge fight at the house and he told everyone about it. Somehow the 4-carat thing on her finger looks like she got it out of a Cracker Jacks box. It’s too big. It looks fake. Don’t get her more of a ring then you can afford and she can wear. Not all women can pull off a 2 or more carat ring. If she balks at a small stone you might want to re-think your engagement. Does anyone else remember the guy here who got his girlfriend a very expensive ring but the stone was not up to her standards? He took the ring back called off the engagement and sold the ring on E-bay. Amber ( Who got a very inexpensive ring but loves it and wouldn’t change it for the world.) …
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> I can’t afford to buy anything >like 2 carat ring. For such a big event for my gf & myself, do you >think it’s kinda embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than >1 carat ring ?
I can’t really help with your other questions, except to say that I buy very little at chain stores, and for jewelry I definitely prefer to patronize local businesses and artisans. But as to the last: Good lord, boy! A 1 carat diamond is ENORMOUS. I can’t even imagine wearing a 2 carat one. I suggest you start looking at smaller stones. You will find that a .8 or .9 carat stone is significantly less expensive than a 1 carat even though it appears to be basically the same size. (Mine’s a .6 and I love it. It’s large enough to look luxurious but not so large I’m afraid to wear it.) Also, go for higher quality over larger size. A smaller stone with better clarity and color will sparkle much "larger" than a stone that’s just big. You might also consider alternatives like adding side stones to give a smaller center diamond more impact. I know several women who have a small diamond flanked by smaller sapphires, often in ususual and/or custom-designed settings, and they’re beautiful rings. Of course, unless you’re absolutely certain you can choose something your intended will love and that she would want you to surprise her, it is probably better to choose a nice center stone, have it set in a simple temporary ring, and present her with the option to return to the jeweler with you to choose her own design. If you really want to splurge on this big event for your and your girlfriend, spend a few thousand less on the ring and a few thousand more on your wedding celebration, your honeymoon or your first home. If she’s Ms. Right, that’s what she’d want. Holly
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I absolutely agree that 2 carat is not only impractical – it looks like its not a real diamond. True there are good copies out there from moisonite (spelling?) which you really can’t tell with a naked eye, but no jeweler is going to sell you a fake diamond under the pretense that its real because the second you buy it, you get it insured (please do this, for your girlfriend’s sake!) and to get insurance, most companies require an appraisal of the ring. So no worries there. Smaller jewelers do not have to spend the money on advertising and big fancy showrooms so they can afford to have lower prices, plus their rings aren’t "cookie cutter" usually. I think around a 1/2 carat ring is perfectly acceptable and any larger is simply what you are willing to invest. Incidently, if you want to buy a ring that you can call an investment, buy a canadian diamond because they are going to gain significantly in value over the next 20 years or so and their quality is virtually unsurpassed!
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Good god. If I had been given a 2 carat rock, I’d have worried about getting it snagged on things constantly. The main stone in my setting is about 2/3 of a carat, and old European cut, not brilliant cut, and it’s still a hell of a rock, made more so by the antique setting. For me, what makes it special is that it was my husband’s grandmother’s ring. And that being diamond and platinum, it goes very well with my wedding band, which was MY grandmother’s wedding band. And because it was a family rock, no one had to spend a godzillion dollars on it, either. Something smaller and stunningly beautiful is, IMO, better than something huge and gaudy and impractical. But what does your girlfriend want? What does she like? What is her style? If she’s into size for size’s sake, then what you’ll want to get her will be different from what you’d get her if she really likes things that don’t stick up and catch on things. In my case, knowing how stunning my old-world ring is, it makes me wonder at all the "perfect stone" hype. These are not "perfect stones"… but a craftsman sculpted a filigree setting that sets these stones off beautifully. I have never seen a ring I liked better. Not in any magazine, anywhere. And my ring values at a mere $4500 US per appraisal, which is still far more than I ever would have asked him to spend had we not gotten the ring through his mother. Jenrose
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, > I am T.C. ,living in Toronto. I would like honest opinion from you > guys . I am shopping around for an engagement ring. > I found that a few bigger jewelry stores(Birk’s, People’s ) charge > over CDN $ 10,000 for 1 carat diamond ring (good cut, VS1 , colour G) > and then a relatively smaller jewelry stores charge only around $7000 > for the same quality. I want to be careful but i can’t tell whether > the diamond is fake or not. I mean they can present me the GIA > certificate or whatever, but you know, how would i know the cert truly > matches with the diamond that i purchase ? > My another concern is that, i have worked for at least a few years and > i am an intermediate web developer. I can’t afford to buy anything > like 2 carat ring. For such a big event for my gf & myself, do you > think it’s kinda embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than > 1 carat ring ?
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> My another concern is that, i have worked for at least a few years and > i am an intermediate web developer. I can’t afford to buy anything > like 2 carat ring. For such a big event for my gf & myself, do you > think it’s kinda embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than > 1 carat ring ?
I think it’s embarrassing and pretentious to walk around with a ring bigger than you are wealthy enough to afford. When someone with a modest income does this I often wonder at their priorities and good sense. I also wonder how long the marriage will last when it’s based on "show". gloria p
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> I found that a few bigger jewelry stores(Birk’s, People’s) > charge over CDN $ 10,000 for 1 carat diamond ring > (good cut, VS1 , colour G) and then a relatively smaller > jewelry stores charge only around $7000 for the same > quality. I want to be careful but i can’t tell whether the > diamond is fake or not. I mean they can present me the > GIA certificate or whatever, but you know, how would > i know the cert truly matches with the diamond that i purchase?
Smaller jewelers are going to have more flexibility in what sort of deal they can get for you because they don’t have the over head. They’re also more likely to be knowledgeable than some of the drones employed at large, chain shops, not to mention that small jewelers will *want* to educate you: they want you to feel well-serviced, well-taken-care-of and become a repeat customer. Ask around — have women in your office, men who’ve recently been married? Friends of the family? Ask them where they shop for jewelry. And not to sound mercenary, if you have well-to-do family or close friends of the family, as them — regular customers to small shops often get discounts. > My another concern is that, i have worked for at least > a few years and i am an intermediate web developer. > I can’t afford to buy anything like 2 carat ring. For such > a big event for my gf & myself, do you think it’s kinda > embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than > 1 carat ring ?
Okay, first thing’s first: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY ANY RING, MUCH LESS A 2 CARAT DIAMOND, FOR AN ENGAGEMENT. Second thing: IF YOUR GIRLFRIEND IS ONLY GOING TO MARRY YOU FOR THE SIZE OF THE ROCK YOU’RE GOING TO BUY *DUMP*HER*IMMEDIATELY*. You’ve managed to hit upon one of my biggest peeves: women who bully their men into surrendering their wallets and common sense when it comes to jewelry, all to satisfy some weird fetish for having the biggest rock to show off in the office. She’s marrying *you*, not the ring. And you certainly don’t have to prove anything to anyone with the type of jewelry you decide on. As an aside, these sorts of money prioritizing questions are going to come up during marriage: jewelry/vacation/whatever nonessential desirable thing versus downpayment for house/condo/flat. It’s good to start talking about those things *now* — many marriages are made unhappy by such disagreements and differences in style. Good luck to you. -j
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Hello, I am T.C. ,living in Toronto. I would like honest opinion from you guys . I am shopping around for an engagement ring. I found that a few bigger jewelry stores(Birk’s, People’s ) charge over CDN $ 10,000 for 1 carat diamond ring (good cut, VS1 , colour G) and then a relatively smaller jewelry stores charge only around $7000 for the same quality. I want to be careful but i can’t tell whether the diamond is fake or not. I mean they can present me the GIA certificate or whatever, but you know, how would i know the cert truly matches with the diamond that i purchase ? My another concern is that, i have worked for at least a few years and i am an intermediate web developer. I can’t afford to buy anything like 2 carat ring. For such a big event for my gf & myself, do you think it’s kinda embarrassing to not able to buy something bigger than 1 carat ring ?
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