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I do not think you understand what advertising represents in the newsgroups and I would suspect you learned photography straight out of a officially endorsed Kodak phamplet.  BTW I think Kodak only wants minions to work in there best interest and peoples. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->all of you, you can just KMA and screw your group. > > Well you guys just get off my back. Don’t you have something better to >do > > with your life? > Oh, God. Another whiney, California photographer named Rick.

www.geocities.com/winston53660/wbphotog.html

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Bottom line, the news group (by way of its members) forbids advertising. Ann

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am new to this group (and newly engaged!!) and, as a resident of California > looking for a photographer, I found the original post informative.  Why is his > post considered SPAM?  He is offering a service many of us (I’m guessing) will > be needing in the next year or so, and why not advertise it? > Meghan > 160/146/140 > CAD since 8/6/01 > — > "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I > can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative > idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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In a previous article, Rick said… > There was no place where the rulse were posted. When I was notified about > the no spam, which was not my intention, I appologized.

Hmmm…  I’ll have to guess that some sort of orthopedic malady has effected your spelling ability.  Careful, somebody around here might label you as dislexic. And let’s probe your statement, fwiw.  Which part of these previous posts contained your apology? In a previous article, Rick said… > I just would like to remind you that you have a very boring personality. > Actually I take that back. You don’t even have a personality. Instead of > attacking people like that, why don’t you do something productive with your > life. > Get lost. > Oh, your web site sucks, and your work is very amateur.  Get some training.

Or this post? In a previous article, Rick said… > Well you guys just get off my back. Don’t you have something better to do > with your life?

Or this post? In a previous article, Rick said… > all of you, you can just KMA and screw your group.

Perhaps I’m looking in the wrong place – maybe you could direct me to your "apology." > I have had enough of this.

No you haven’t. > I hope you all can just forget about it and stop responding. Do something > else with your lives.

And you, sir.  And you. In the meantime, I hope everyone can see the sort of person they’d be getting if they were dumb enough to sign a contract with a spammer. — Joe Pucillo Baltimore, Maryland  USA To reply by email, please remove the .xx from the address.

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All you have to do is check the usenet archives, a good set are at http://groups.google.com  and do a search for "FAQ" in the appropriate newsgroup, or if that fails ask usually someone in a group will point it out to you or post a copy.   I’ve never used aol…but isn’t there some sort of "user’s guide" to usenet out there…when I first subscribed ages ago (94) on my reader that was the first thing that came up.  That would be useful for everyone. Raelynn

: I belong to this group via AOL, and as such, I do not have access to the FAQ. : Meghan : 160/146/140 : CAD since 8/6/01 : — : "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I : can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative : idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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>I belong to this group via AOL, and as such, I do not have access to the FAQ.

Here you go! It’s also readily available by doing a search on Google.   Frequently Asked Questions    Time-saving Advice from Alt.wedding Couples The alt.wedding FAQ    Posting Frequency: Monthly    Last Modified: 1 April 1999    Version 5.0 Table of Contents: Section 0: About the FAQ           0.1) What is a FAQ?           0.2) Where can I find the FAQ?           0.3) What is Netiquette?           0.4) Netiquette and Flaming           0.5) Copyright           0.6) Revision History Section 1: About alt.wedding           1.1) What is alt.wedding?           1.2) What is the difference between alt.wedding and           soc.couples.wedding?           1.3) Is advertising allowed on alt.wedding?           1.4) What is the meaning of this alt.wedding abbreviation?           1.5) Who are the posters?           1.6) What’s the deal with wedding etiquette? Section 2: Engagements           2.1) Can a couple be engaged without an engagement ring?           2.2) Must an engagement ring be a diamond?           2.3) Can a man wear an engagement ring?           2.4) How much is my ring worth, and what does the appraisal           value mean?           2.5) What about the two months salary guideline?           2.6) What are some of the potential problems with a long           engagement (two or more years)?           2.7) What are some of the potential problems with a short           engagement?           2.8) What kind of gift should I bring to an engagement party?           2.9) Is it proper to send out engagement announcements? Section 3: Resources           3.1) We just got engaged and have [X] months to go. What do I           do now?           3.2) How do you plan a wedding and remain sane?           3.3) Do I need a fancy wedding planner?           3.4) What are some recommended books for planning our wedding?           3.5) What software is available to help me with my wedding           plans?           3.6) Can I make invitations or the program on my computer?           3.7) Can I print the addresses on the outer envelope with my           computer? Section 4: Traditions           4.1) Whose name goes on the wedding invitations?           4.2) Where does Tradition X come from and/or what does it mean?           + Smashing of glass at the end of Jewish ceremonies           + Unity Candle           + Groom’s Cake           + Something Old, New, Borrowed, Blue, (Victorian)           + Silver Horseshoes           + Jordan Almonds           + Ivy           4.3) What are options to glass clinking to get the couple to           kiss?           4.4) Why is it rude to specify ‘no gifts’?           4.5) What can I get the couple who has everything?           4.6) What should I do with the cards the department store gave           me?           4.7) Do I have to buy someone something from their registry?           4.8) Can I use shower presents before the wedding?           4.9) Does my wedding need a theme?           4.10 What is a guest book besides a bunch of signatures?           4.11 What are the options for changing my name once I get           married?           4.12 On what documents should I change my name?           4.13 What are favors?           4.14 What are some good favor ideas?           4.15 I am the Best Man in my friend’s wedding. Are there any           4.16 Why won’t our church let us throw rice or confetti?           4.17 Is it true that rice is bad for birds?           4.18 What can we use if not rice or confetti?           4.19 I’ve been thinking about a butterfly release. Is this a           good idea?           4.20 I What is the traditional gift given for ‘X’ anniversary?           What is the modern gift for ‘X’ anniversary? Section 5: Vendors           5.1) I need to choose a florist/photographer/caterer. Where do           I start?           5.2) Must I have professional photography or video?           5.3) Do I need a contract if my service provider is a family           friend?           5.4) Do I need to feed the vendors at the reception?           5.5) What questions should I ask a photographer?           5.6) How well do those disposable cameras work? Section 6: Attire           6.1) I am a guest at a wedding and want to wear X.           6.2) What do the male attendants wear at time Y?           6.3) Wedding Dresses           6.4) Brides Who Wear Glasses           6.5) Dress Preservation Section 7: Readings Section 8: Attendants           8.1) Choosing Attendants           8.2) Non-traditional attendants           8.3) Typical Duties of the Best Man:           8.4) Typical Duties of Ushers/Groomsmen X:           8.5) Typical Duties of Maid/Matron of Honor:           8.6) Typical Duties of Bridesmaids: Section 9: Important phone numbers and/or addresses           9.1) Address of The White House           9.2) Address of The Pope Section 10: Detailed FAQ topics           10.1) Prenuptial Agreement FAQ           10.2) Other mini-FAQs Section 0: About the FAQ    0.1) What is an FAQ?           An FAQ is a Frequently Asked Question. This document tries to           answer many frequently asked questions that often come up in           discussions on alt.wedding.    0.2) Where can I find the FAQ?           The FAQ is posted monthly on alt.wedding. Additionally, it can           be obtained via e-mail from Ann Alias           http://www.netins.net/showcase/wedding/. The AW home page           should be considered a companion site to the           soc.couples.wedding home page,           http://www.wam.umd.edu/~sek/wedding.html. Both the alt.wedding           and soc.couples.wedding have a number of ‘mini-FAQs’ that           provide detailed information which supplement the aw/scw FAQs.    0.3) What is Netiquette?           A set of generally accepted rules for posting (netiquette) can           be found in the FAQs in NEWS.NEWUSERS.QUESTIONS and           NEWS.ANSWERS. It is recommended that you read these before           beginning to post to the group. 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This is also a good place to find help with           technical questions or netiquette guidelines.    0.4) Netiquette and Flaming           Flaming is discouraged on a.w. Arguments over ‘He said/She           said’ are not welcome here. The same holds true for those users           who instigate or perpetuate flamewars. Chronic offenders of           this policy are referred to alt.flame first, then           news.admin.net-abuse.*. Flaming occurs when two people have           differing opinions and views and one or both parties resort to           insulting, name calling, and ad hominem attacks. These           diatribes generally gather steam until it becomes a ‘flamewar.’           While other users may end up taking sides in this sort of           conflict, most users really don’t care about the brouhaha and           would prefer it stop.           People have *very* strong opinions about some wedding issues.           If you want to discuss some of these ’sensitive topics,’ do so           calmly and politely. Don’t try to change someone else’s           beliefs, or attack them personally. After all, what may be           viewed as tacky in your eyes may be viewed as a long-standing           tradition in another person’s family.           It should be noted that disagreeing with someone’s ideas or           plans does not constitute a flame. There have been many intense           discussions on alt.wedding on such topics as money dances, cash           bars, and same-sex marriages. 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> > Well you guys just get off my back. Don’t you have something better to do > with your life? > Oh, God. Another whiney, California photographer named Rick.

And here’s the other whiney California photonerd named Rick: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jeanne Hinds: > Your snide comment was totally uncalled for and intended solely to harass and > start another flamefest.  No wonder so many on this newsgroup have you > killfiled.  Get another hobby, this one is not very becoming to you, especially > during this season of family and togetherness. > Best regards, > Rick Rosen > Newport Beach, CA > www.rickrosen.com

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There was no place where the rulse were posted. When I was notified about the no spam, which was not my intention, I appologized. Can anyone forgive me.  God forgives people, why can’t you. I have seen so much response to this one email than I have seen anything else.  I have had enough of this. I hope you all can just forget about it and stop responding. Do something else with your lives. Good luck to you all. Rick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In a previous article, Meghan said… > I am new to this group (and newly engaged!!) and, as a resident of California > looking for a photographer, I found the original post informative. > It may be informative, but it can also be indicative of a vendor who > can’t get clients on his own, and must then post a commercial > announcement to a world-wide newsgroup – one which specifically > prohibits such postings. > When presented with the obvious fact that he’s a spammer (by sending > advertisements where they’re not wanted or allowed) he became > somewhat abusive.  When further presented with the rules of this > *discussion* group, he wanted to be exempted from those very rules. > Is this really the sort of person you want to sign a contract > with??? > My word, if your officiant tells him that he can’t use flash during > your service, can you see the sort of precedent he’s set here?  Will > he insult your priest or rabbi and tell him that his personality is > lacking?  Will he ask the rabbi to kiss his nether regions?  Will he > then stamp his little foot and leave in a fit? > If you’re looking for a good photographer, who has enough word- > of-mouth reference and clients who *look for him*, I would > avoid using anyone who is so desperate that they need to > purposefully break the rules of this group to get their names out. > hth > — > Joe Pucillo > Baltimore, Maryland  USA > To reply by email, please remove the .xx from the address.

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In a previous article, Meghan said… > I am new to this group (and newly engaged!!) and, as a resident of California > looking for a photographer, I found the original post informative.  

It may be informative, but it can also be indicative of a vendor who can’t get clients on his own, and must then post a commercial announcement to a world-wide newsgroup – one which specifically prohibits such postings. When presented with the obvious fact that he’s a spammer (by sending advertisements where they’re not wanted or allowed) he became somewhat abusive.  When further presented with the rules of this *discussion* group, he wanted to be exempted from those very rules.   Is this really the sort of person you want to sign a contract with???   My word, if your officiant tells him that he can’t use flash during your service, can you see the sort of precedent he’s set here?  Will he insult your priest or rabbi and tell him that his personality is lacking?  Will he ask the rabbi to kiss his nether regions?  Will he then stamp his little foot and leave in a fit? If you’re looking for a good photographer, who has enough word- of-mouth reference and clients who *look for him*, I would avoid using anyone who is so desperate that they need to purposefully break the rules of this group to get their names out. hth — Joe Pucillo Baltimore, Maryland  USA To reply by email, please remove the .xx from the address.

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> Well you guys just get off my back. Don’t you have something better to do > with your life?

Oh, God. Another whiney, California photographer named Rick.  >> Jeanne Hinds: Your snide comment was totally uncalled for and intended solely to harass and start another flamefest.  No wonder so many on this newsgroup have you killfiled.  Get another hobby, this one is not very becoming to you, especially during this season of family and togetherness. Best regards, Rick Rosen Newport Beach, CA www.rickrosen.com

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>I am new to this group (and newly engaged!!) and, as a resident of California >looking for a photographer, I found the original post informative.  Why is his >post considered SPAM?  He is offering a service many of us (I’m guessing) will >be needing in the next year or so, and why not advertise it?

This group voted a few years ago to forbid advertising. Those who advertise in violation of this group’s rules are spamming. Additionally, this is an international group so it does not make sense to advertise local or regional services here. However, those who wish to do so are encouraged to post to alt.wedding.marketplace which was set up specifically for that purpose. The FAQ is very clear about the no-ads policy here and can readily be found in a Google search or by simply asking for it at anytime. All newcomers are encouraged to read the FAQ and to lurk for a while before posting to avoid missteps such as spamming. Hope this helps, Noe

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>Oh, your web site sucks, and your work is very amateur.  Get some training.

I agree. I also agree that you should not be SPAMMING this website! Ron Ng Knows!

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Well you guys just get off my back. Don’t you have something better to do with your life?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Oh, your web site sucks, and your work is very amateur.  Get some training. > I agree. > I also agree that you should not be SPAMMING this website! > Ron Ng Knows!

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> Well you guys just get off my back. Don’t you have something better to do > with your life?

Oh, God. Another whiney, California photographer named Rick.

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all of you, you can just KMA and screw your group.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well you guys just get off my back. Don’t you have something better to do > with your life? > Oh, God. Another whiney, California photographer named Rick.

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Thank you very much Meghan, God Bless you. I wish there were more people like you out there, and not those other who just want to distroy. God Bless. Rick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am new to this group (and newly engaged!!) and, as a resident of California > looking for a photographer, I found the original post informative.  Why is his > post considered SPAM?  He is offering a service many of us (I’m guessing) will > be needing in the next year or so, and why not advertise it? > Meghan > 160/146/140 > CAD since 8/6/01 > — > "I can tell a factory worker to show up at 7:00 a.m. sharp and produce. But I > can’t tell a researcher or engineer to show up at 7:00 a.m. and have a creative > idea." — Akio Morita, co-founder of Sony (1921-1999)

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I am a wedding photographer in California, USA. I would be happy to show you my work and have you hire me. If you need to get in touch with me, email me.

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>I am a wedding photographer in California, USA. I would be happy to show you >my work and have you hire me. >If you need to get in touch with me, email me.

where is your work? do you have any? I would think NOT.  The least you could do is a geocities site or anglefire to be careful.  but at least have something to show.   www.geocities.com/winston53660/wbphotog.html

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>I am a wedding photographer in California, USA. I would be happy to show you >my work and have you hire me.

We would be happy to have you stop SPAMMING the newsgroup. Ron Ng Knows!

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>>I am a wedding photographer in California, USA. I would be happy to show you >my work and have you hire me. >We would be happy to have you stop SPAMMING the newsgroup. >Ron Ng Knows!

Could you give this person a little bit help? I doubt it. www.geocities.com/winston53660/wbphotog.html

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>Could you give this person a little bit help?

I just did. I told him to take his SPAM somewhere else. Ron Ng Knows!

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both of you guys are doing the same thing and advertising your web sites and spamming, why is it a sin when he did it. i can’t belive the attitude. good luck living your life the way you do. you know what you are, i don’t need to tell you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Could you give this person a little bit help? > I just did. I told him to take his SPAM somewhere else. > Ron Ng Knows!

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>both of you guys are doing the same thing and advertising your web sites and >spamming

Not me. I have no website. Therefore, I cam not advertising one and SPAMMING this newsgroup. Ron Ng Knows!

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I just would like to remind you that you have a very boring personality. Actually I take that back. You don’t even have a personality. Instead of attacking people like that, why don’t you do something productive with your life. Get lost. Oh, your web site sucks, and your work is very amateur.  Get some training.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am a wedding photographer in California, USA. I would be happy to show you >my work and have you hire me. >If you need to get in touch with me, email me. > where is your work? do you have any? I would think NOT.  The least you could do > is a geocities site or anglefire to be careful.  but at least have something to > show. > www.geocities.com/winston53660/wbphotog.html

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